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gytrans
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I'm new to this forum and not sure if I am posting in the correct place but can anyone tell me what this clause means:
3.2. Statistics
After receipt of a project it is essential that the Vendor acquaints himself / herself with the statistics relating to it. If the Vendor does not agree with the statistics, he / she must inform the Project Manager of this before confirming the task.
The rates for any work the Vendor undertakes for ### are determined by this agreement (see... See more I'm new to this forum and not sure if I am posting in the correct place but can anyone tell me what this clause means:
3.2. Statistics
After receipt of a project it is essential that the Vendor acquaints himself / herself with the statistics relating to it. If the Vendor does not agree with the statistics, he / she must inform the Project Manager of this before confirming the task.
The rates for any work the Vendor undertakes for ### are determined by this agreement (see Appendix 3);
alternatively, they may be indicated to the Vendor before the start of any collaboration (in cases where an Hourly rate is paid, or a Minimum Fee applies).
All calculations are based on the source text. In exceptional cases, specific payment terms shall be arranged for particular projects.
The following statistical scale based on Trados shall apply to all ### projects, unless indicated otherwise:
Perfect matches 0% of the full price
Repetitions, 100% 10% of the full price
95‐99% 20% of the full price
75‐94% 40% of the full price
Less than 74% the full price
If Trados is not to be used on a particular project, the Vendor will be informed of this before the project begins.
Thanks!
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| | | | Sam Pinson 
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| It means you get paid less for fuzzy matches | Dec 21, 2011 |
This means that the agency is fuzzy match analysis to discount your pay. The better the match, the lower the pay.
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In memoriam | Santa Clause in a contract | Dec 22, 2011 |
That's how I misread the heading initially, so I thought these three cartoons would be appropriate, then I thought, what the hell! I'll put them in anyway.
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gytrans
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TOPIC STARTER | fuzzy matches?? | Jan 5, 2012 |
Thanks for the replies (including the cartoons!). i am new to this so I don't know what 'fuzzy match' means. I won't be using any translation software either so not sure if this is appropriate.
Basically is this a normal clause in a contract? Should I be wary of it and will it mean I do a lot of translations for nothing?
Thanks again for any advice given!
| | | | Sam Pinson
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TOPIC STARTER | No MT no fuzzy match? | Jan 5, 2012 |
Thanks for the link - does this mean that if I am not using MT then this will not apply? Also does not using MT leave me at a disadvantage? Are there any programmes you would recommend - that are cheap or free preferably.
| | | | Sam Pinson
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| The matches are an attribute of the text... | Jan 5, 2012 |
The fuzzy match report is a description of similarities that exist between segments of the source text, as determined by analysis performed by Trados. Those similarities exist regardless of the means you use to translate the source text. The corresponding clause of the contract likewise is applicable regardless of how the source text is translated.
If by "MT" you mean something like Google Translate, I would say that you are at a disadvantage. You won't have a role to play as a tr... See more The fuzzy match report is a description of similarities that exist between segments of the source text, as determined by analysis performed by Trados. Those similarities exist regardless of the means you use to translate the source text. The corresponding clause of the contract likewise is applicable regardless of how the source text is translated.
If by "MT" you mean something like Google Translate, I would say that you are at a disadvantage. You won't have a role to play as a translator if what you produce is the same (or close to) what Google Translate produces.
If by "MT" you mean something else--taking advantage of your own translation memories--I wouldn't call that "MT", and I would call that an advantage. ▲ Collapse
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| I'm not sure if we're answering the question. | Jan 5, 2012 |
Many translators use translation memory software as an aid to productivity. If you've translated the word, phrase, sentence or paragraph before, either in the same document or a previous one, the software will insert that translation for you. This is called a match.
If it finds text that is similar but not quite the same, this is called a fuzzy match.
Some translation companies expect you to give them a discount if the text contains matches or fuzzy matches. As I under... See more Many translators use translation memory software as an aid to productivity. If you've translated the word, phrase, sentence or paragraph before, either in the same document or a previous one, the software will insert that translation for you. This is called a match.
If it finds text that is similar but not quite the same, this is called a fuzzy match.
Some translation companies expect you to give them a discount if the text contains matches or fuzzy matches. As I understand it, this is a way of increasing their profit margins at your expense, because they don't pass on the discount to their customer.
Whether you use TM will depend on what type of translations you do. If you do highly repetitive technical manuals, you may find it very useful. If you do things like media and marketing texts, it will be of limited benefit. It's perfectly possible to get work without it (I don't use it), and in my experience, if you tell customers you don't have TM, you'll still get the job.
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| | | | | a fuzzy business model | Jan 5, 2012 |
Jack Doughty wrote:
That's how I misread the heading initially, so I thought these three cartoons would be appropriate, then I thought, what the hell! I'll put them in anyway.
Thanks for that, Jack. HNY!!!
http://www.howtosplitanatom.com/images/overworked.gif
Seems it applies to the posted question, in a certain way.
A similar translation agency, one of many, by the way, (for this example, I'll call them "Lots of Clauses Agency") has, unlike Santa Claus, found a better business model for themselves (quite a couple of years ago), to earn more money and to pay all these translators more, ... uh, sorry, I mean less money, after said agencies believe it can now be expected from said translators that they buy expensive CAT Tools (that's the name for these constantly updated translation aids) and get paid less, according to the funny, I mean, fuzzy word count.
Well, the only thing this business model has in common with good old Nick is really the fuzziness, in his case, with the the fuzzy beard.
Giving anything away was never "Lots of Clauses Agency's" strong suit, so to speak. On the contrary, they always ran a tight- @%% ship.
But lately, it's been said that some translators worked more and more, for less and less money, went hungry, then got tired, then drank too much coffee, and finally either wised up and didn't apply fuzzy matches discounts anymore or found a different job.
But there are still lots of newcomers out there who are not familiar with what a good business model for translators, not agencies, is.
Do they have a training session for that here somewhere?
Also, despite claims to the contrary, there remain a few good translation agencies out there that let the translator determine an acceptable "per word" price, regardless of how many funny, I mean fuzzy, matches occur in a text.
Don't get caught up in the funny, I mean, fuzzy business anymore.
Bernhard
[Edited at 2012-01-05 21:32 GMT]
| | | | Germaine
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gytrans wrote:
Perfect matches 0% of the full price
Repetitions, 100% 10% of the full price
Thanks!
What would be the difference between a "perfect match" and "repetitions, 100%" ?
| | | | Sam Pinson
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| The context is the same | Jan 5, 2012 |
I believe a "perfect match" here is also known as a "context match". That is, it is a 100% match where the segments that precede and follow are also 100% matches.
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Marina Steinbach
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| What happened to the good old handshake? | Jan 5, 2012 |
gytrans wrote:
The following statistical scale based on Trados shall apply to all Janus WWI projects, unless indicated otherwise:
Perfect matches 0% of the full price
Repetitions, 100% 10% of the full price
95‐99% 20% of the full price
75‐94% 40% of the full price
Less than 74% the full price
Hello gytrans,
If the project requires Trados and you will be using this program for translation, then your client will be applying the above pricing model.
gytrans wrote:
If Trados is not to be used on a particular project, the Vendor will be informed of this before the project begins.
If the project does not require Trados and you will not be using this program for translation, then the Vendor will inform you of this before the project begins and the above pricing model does not apply.
That’s how I understand this paragraph.
Hope this helps.
Marina
| | | | | what's the pay scheme if Trados is not required? | Jan 5, 2012 |
Marina Steinbach wrote:
If the project does not require Trados and you will not be using this program for translation, then the Vendor will inform you of this before the project begins and the above pricing model does not apply.
That’s how I understand this paragraph.
Hope this helps.
Marina
Marina,
It doesn't say that the count/"fuzzy" pay scheme doesn't apply although this could be the logical deduction.
It only says that if Trados is not required, "the vendor will be informed of this."
@ gytrans:
If Trados is not required, does it say anywhere specifically what pay scheme will be applied?
Bernhard
[Edited at 2012-01-05 23:04 GMT]
| | | | Marina Steinbach
United States
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Bernhard Sulzer wrote:
It doesn't say that the count/"fuzzy" pay scheme doesn't apply although this could be the logical deduction.
It only says that if Trados is not required, "the vendor will be informed of this."
How would you perform an analysis regarding fuzzy matching without Trados, Bernhard?
Kind regards,
Marina
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