| Pages in topic: < [1 2 3] | Limit of 30 KudoZ asked per month Thread poster: Jeff Whittaker
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Speranza 
Local time: 23:02
Spanish to Russian
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| Limits or not... | Oct 2, 2007 |
Oh yes, indeed… In this ideal world inhabited exclusively by innocent souls, abusers will never find a way to ask an unlimited number of questions in a system where they can create an unlimited number of profiles and ask x questions per profile .
Askers will keep asking a zillion questions a day as long as they know they can easily have their work done by others free of charge. Answerers will keep answering any quest... See more Oh yes, indeed… In this ideal world inhabited exclusively by innocent souls, abusers will never find a way to ask an unlimited number of questions in a system where they can create an unlimited number of profiles and ask x questions per profile.
Askers will keep asking a zillion questions a day as long as they know they can easily have their work done by others free of charge. Answerers will keep answering any questions in the world as long as they know they will get points and therefore better exposure. Why is everybody pretending that help in KudoZ is provided in exchange for similar help? Askers reward you with points (which don't cost them a thing), why do you expect them to give you anything else?
Here is one interesting fact though: While askers, people obviously listed somewhere at the end of the directory since you say they don't answer too much, are so busy working (for money) that often they don't even have time to consult a dictionary, answerers who proudly occupy the top positions are invariably available on short notice to do any research that may be required for free. So, who benefits in the end? ▲ Collapse
| | | | Marina Soldati
Argentina
Local time: 18:02
Member (2005)
English to Spanish
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| Another point of view | Oct 2, 2007 |
I`ve been reading this thread and similar threads in the past and agree that the Kudoz system is abused most of the time. The idea of a ratio based on questions answered/asked is a good one.
You further proposed that the ratio should be based on answers accepted instead of answeres proposed. but many of you have argued that these askers don´t have the professional competency to know which the good answer is so, are you going to let them decide how many questions you can ask? I don�... See more I`ve been reading this thread and similar threads in the past and agree that the Kudoz system is abused most of the time. The idea of a ratio based on questions answered/asked is a good one.
You further proposed that the ratio should be based on answers accepted instead of answeres proposed. but many of you have argued that these askers don´t have the professional competency to know which the good answer is so, are you going to let them decide how many questions you can ask? I don´t think so.
TampaTranslator wrote:
How about a ratio based not on answers given, but answers accepted?
Regards,
Marina
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| | | | Jeff Whittaker
United States
Local time: 17:02
Spanish to English
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TOPIC STARTER | Fee-based KudoZ | Oct 3, 2007 |
How about a charge of .50 per question asked with .25 going to the winning answerer and .25 to ProZ. Askers would not be getting free help and cannot ask too many questions (or risk spending more than they are earning from the .03/word job), ProZ will earn some extra cash, and if you answer enough questions, you will earn enough to renew your membership
Yes, I am kidding.
[Edited at 2007-10-03 ... See more How about a charge of .50 per question asked with .25 going to the winning answerer and .25 to ProZ. Askers would not be getting free help and cannot ask too many questions (or risk spending more than they are earning from the .03/word job), ProZ will earn some extra cash, and if you answer enough questions, you will earn enough to renew your membership
Yes, I am kidding.
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| | | | | You may be kidding, but it's a great idea! | Oct 3, 2007 |
TampaTranslator wrote: How about a charge of .50 per question asked with .25 going to the winning answerer and .25 to ProZ. Askers would not be getting free help and cannot ask too many questions (or risk spending more than they are earning from the .03/word job), ProZ will earn some extra cash, and if you answer enough questions, you will earn enough to renew your membership Yes, I am kidding.
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A fee based Kudoz system! Let's make it affordable. Asker should pay .10 USD per question. This could stop abusers and improve the quality of the answers at the same time.
No kidding.
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I disagree because if it doesn't affect you personally, who cares? Are you that person's client? Even then, the client's interest is in receiving a good translation and if many questions have been asked to make this possible, then he certainly doesn't care.
This is not my case, as I have asked a total 170 questions in 3 years, but I think that everybody should be free to ask what he/she wants. Actually, I don't even agree with the current monthly question limit. We also should not ... See more I disagree because if it doesn't affect you personally, who cares? Are you that person's client? Even then, the client's interest is in receiving a good translation and if many questions have been asked to make this possible, then he certainly doesn't care.
This is not my case, as I have asked a total 170 questions in 3 years, but I think that everybody should be free to ask what he/she wants. Actually, I don't even agree with the current monthly question limit. We also should not judge too quick, as we don't know the reason of the questions.
- Some people (companies as well) may be working with a large volume of extremely technical translations at the same time, and they might be gathering all the words they could not find during the week to ask them all together.
- Others (students) might be working on a homework and either they don't have good dictionaries or do not master the use of Google, and they want to ask so many questions.
- Others might be asking questions of third parties who do not have access to Internet at home
- Others are great translators, but they happen to be travelling in remote places with limited access to Internet or their dictionaries.
- Others might be in a simultaneous interpretation booth with Internet access and in some cases during a break, need urgent last-minute words or terms (sometimes they changed they speaker, the subject, etc.); they could be asking questions to Proz colleagues as well.
I can continue naming 1,000 reasons (and these are not the exceptions, but the reality, asked by professionals) for asking a considerable number of legitimate questions, so why shouldn't we let people solve their doubts if it results in good translations?
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| | | | | We're not talking about the exceptions | Oct 3, 2007 |
We're not talking about people who are temporarily away from their dictionaries, etc. Cristina.
We're also talking about pro-level questions, not non-pro questions. PRO questions are those that are asked by OR that are suitable for professional translators.
We're clearly talking about people who are serial abusers. People who day after day, week after week, month after month show they they are not ready for prime time. They have not learned how (or are unwilling) to do the no... See more We're not talking about people who are temporarily away from their dictionaries, etc. Cristina.
We're also talking about pro-level questions, not non-pro questions. PRO questions are those that are asked by OR that are suitable for professional translators.
We're clearly talking about people who are serial abusers. People who day after day, week after week, month after month show they they are not ready for prime time. They have not learned how (or are unwilling) to do the normal things a professional translator must be able to do before he starts offering his services professionally.
Kim
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| | | | | limiting number of questions asked at a time or per hour | Oct 4, 2007 |
I'm all for limiting the number of Kudoz asked per day/month/year - the current rates are ridiculously high and IMHO encourage people to tackle translations that are out of their depth because they know they are going to be able to rely on Prozian help. Whether they understand the text and its implications is another matter.
Nevertheless, compulsive freeloaders don't usually hit the limits. I only answer their questions if I need a short break and can find the answer easily, know it... See more I'm all for limiting the number of Kudoz asked per day/month/year - the current rates are ridiculously high and IMHO encourage people to tackle translations that are out of their depth because they know they are going to be able to rely on Prozian help. Whether they understand the text and its implications is another matter.
Nevertheless, compulsive freeloaders don't usually hit the limits. I only answer their questions if I need a short break and can find the answer easily, know it already, or if it is in my specialised field - after all, I want to stay near the top of the Kudoz points table in these fields.
I have another suggestion: limiting the number of questions asked per hour to e.g. 2 or even 1 to prevent posters firing out a series of questions in a very short time because this pushes other questions off the homepage too quickly. There was a good example of this last week - someone with an empty profile shot off more than 10 questions in less than 10 minutes (asking/answering ratio approx. 1000/10 - says it all). This delay may have the additional advantage of prompting askers to do their own research.
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Jill ▲ Collapse
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| Solve the abuse problem easily-enforce rule 2.1 | Oct 4, 2007 |
Enforce rule 2.1 ( http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_asking/2.1#2.1 ) in the same unrelenting way the rules protecting Askers are enforced (for instance rule 3.7 http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_answ/3.7#3.7) and Kudoz will be upgraded immediately. Block repeat abusers fro... See more Enforce rule 2.1 ( http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_asking/2.1#2.1 ) in the same unrelenting way the rules protecting Askers are enforced (for instance rule 3.7 http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_answ/3.7#3.7) and Kudoz will be upgraded immediately. Block repeat abusers from asking for a week, weeks or month(s). This will oblige ALL Kudoz askers to open their dictionaries, search the glossary, the www etc. BEFORE they ask others for help. And of course, if they actually do their own research first, countless questions will never be posted at all.
The rule is there, so no 'new' rule has be introduced. The numbers can stay as they are, but the abuse will be diminished.
Why not enforce it and apply it with the same enthusiasm as rule 3.7 is applied?
Imo, rule 2.1 is a very fair rule and is also there to make Kudoz a pleasant experience for all (not just askers or Kudozitis sufferers). Imho, enforcing it would solve the 'question abuse' issue and end the need for further discussion.
note-I must say this has been mentioned before, by others as well, but for some unknown reason, none of the powers that be seem to feel it's worth discussing and they continue to ignore this suggestion. But like the much loved and often strictly enforced rule 3.7, the abuse issue is there and doing considerable harm to the atmosphere and quality of the site.
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| | | | OlafK
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:02
English to German
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| It happened to me today! | Oct 19, 2007 |
I agree with writeaway - I posted a comment to a question by a particularly clueless "translator" (a paying member btw)translating a marketing text into a foreign language she didn't have sufficient command of. Of course my comment was promptly deleted, according to the rules, but nobody stops these people from asking questions and people still give answers, apparently because it's "fun" (as someone told me).
Ok, once again and without getting personal: These people are taking away your j... See more I agree with writeaway - I posted a comment to a question by a particularly clueless "translator" (a paying member btw)translating a marketing text into a foreign language she didn't have sufficient command of. Of course my comment was promptly deleted, according to the rules, but nobody stops these people from asking questions and people still give answers, apparently because it's "fun" (as someone told me).
Ok, once again and without getting personal: These people are taking away your jobs and they bring the whole profession (if that's what it is) into disrepute. Please don't help them! ▲ Collapse
| | | | Jeff Whittaker
United States
Local time: 17:02
Spanish to English
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TOPIC STARTER | Violation of confidentiality and non-disclosure obligation | Oct 20, 2007 |
I also wonder if some of these people who post so many KudoZ questions know that they are violating their confidentiliaty and non-disclosure obligation by posting private information on the net.
According to the Translators Journal, an agency recently got into some hot water when their client discovered that one of the agency's freelancers had posted portions of a confidential text asking for help with terminology.
| | | | Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 23:02
Member (2002)
English to German
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| Not necessarily a breach | Oct 22, 2007 |
TampaTranslator wrote:
I also wonder if some of these people who post so many KudoZ questions know that they are violating their confidentiliaty and non-disclosure obligation by posting private information on the net.
This does not necessarily constitute a breach as long as these askers make sure that names and any other sensitive information be deleted from the context they provide. As an alternative to ensure adherence to confidentiality, askers could resort to providing a piece of text available in the public domain that is comparable to the one they are translating.
If they fail to comply with one of the principles above by disclosing confidential information, other KudoZ participants noticing such behaviour should contact the moderator of the language pair concerned to remedy the situation.
Steffen
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