Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Wirklicher Geheimer Rat
English translation:
High Privy Councillor
Added to glossary by
Trudy Peters
Aug 28, 2005 21:55
18 yrs ago
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German term
United States
wirklicher Geheimer Rat
German to English
Other
Genealogy
family tree
Family tree from the Austro-Hungarian empire:
Sohn Seiner Exzellenz ABC, k. und k. **wirklicher** Geheimer Rat und Feldmarschall-Leutnant.
Does this have a meaning I'm not aware of, or does it mean that he really was a Geheimer Rat (as opposed to ???)
Sohn Seiner Exzellenz ABC, k. und k. **wirklicher** Geheimer Rat und Feldmarschall-Leutnant.
Does this have a meaning I'm not aware of, or does it mean that he really was a Geheimer Rat (as opposed to ???)
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | High Privy Councillor or leave title in German |
Ann C Sherwin
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| 3 +3 | High Privy Council |
Brie Vernier
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Proposed translations
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High Privy Councillor or leave title in German
When it's the title of an individual, it has to be Councillor rather than Council.
Several English Web sites translate it literally as "real" or "effective" Privy Councillor, but I would reject these. The English site below leaves the title in German, which is also my inclination. But I would add "High Privy Councillor" in brackets or explain the significance of the title in a footnote.
Several English Web sites translate it literally as "real" or "effective" Privy Councillor, but I would reject these. The English site below leaves the title in German, which is also my inclination. But I would add "High Privy Councillor" in brackets or explain the significance of the title in a footnote.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you very much Ann and briethe!! Too bad I can't split points."
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Brie Vernier
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High Privy Council
Die Mitglieder des Geheimen Ratskollegiums hatten den Titel "Geheimer Rat" oder auch "Geheimrat". Später wurde der Titel "Wirklicher Geheimer Rat" als Auszeichnung an höchste Beamte verliehen. Derselbe ist in der Regel mit dem Prädikat Exzellenz verbunden. Im übrigen war Geheimer Rat der Titel der obersten Beamten, namentlicher Ministerialdirektoren, der vortragenden Räte in den Ministerien, der ersten Räte in den Kollegien etc.
http://lexikon.freenet.de/Geheimer_Rat
see also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichtakademischer_Titel
and then, for an English example
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02381b.htm
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Note added at 17 mins (2005-08-28 22:12:45 GMT)
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Although this site suggests Effective Privy Council:
http://habitant.org/tools/eskey.htm
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Note added at 2 hrs 58 mins (2005-08-29 00:53:48 GMT)
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Of course Ann is right about the person vs. body distinction, which I overlooked in the given context
http://lexikon.freenet.de/Geheimer_Rat
see also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichtakademischer_Titel
and then, for an English example
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02381b.htm
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Note added at 17 mins (2005-08-28 22:12:45 GMT)
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Although this site suggests Effective Privy Council:
http://habitant.org/tools/eskey.htm
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Note added at 2 hrs 58 mins (2005-08-29 00:53:48 GMT)
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Of course Ann is right about the person vs. body distinction, which I overlooked in the given context
Peer comment(s):
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Nicole Schnell
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Danke, Nicole
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Teresa Reinhardt
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Thanks ; )
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Wolf Brosius (X)
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Danke, Wolf
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