Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
estado laical
English translation:
(return to) lay status/ defrock
Added to glossary by
Laura Rodríguez Manso
Jan 18, 2010 16:12
14 yrs ago
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Spanish term
estado laical
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Religion
Aquí va un poco de contexto:
"Y por lo tanto, los curas abusadores podrán ser doblemente castigados. Eclesiásticamente, con la reducción al estado laical y con la excomunión".
Muchas gracias,
Laura
"Y por lo tanto, los curas abusadores podrán ser doblemente castigados. Eclesiásticamente, con la reducción al estado laical y con la excomunión".
Muchas gracias,
Laura
Proposed translations
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| 5 +8 | (return to) lay status |
patinba
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| 3 +5 | defrocked |
liz askew
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| 5 -1 | secular state |
Jenny Westwell
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Proposed translations
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(return to) lay status
Clergy may be returned to lay status for a variety of reasons, including at their own request as well as for grave infractions of canon law.
Priests Returned to Lay Status — Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America - [ Traducir esta página ]
This award-winning site features information on the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, news and events, His Eminence Archbishop Demetrios, the Orthodox ...
www.goarch.org/archdiocese/documents/.
Priests Returned to Lay Status — Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America - [ Traducir esta página ]
This award-winning site features information on the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, news and events, His Eminence Archbishop Demetrios, the Orthodox ...
www.goarch.org/archdiocese/documents/.
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Comment: "Thank you! Both answers where great, but as you where there first..."
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6 mins
defrocked
reducción al estado ....
El Papa reduce al polémico arzobispo Milingo al estado laical
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El papa Benedicto XVI ha reducido al estado laical al polémico arzobispo emérito (jubilado) de Lusaka (Zambia), ... Pope Benedict XVI. Regions (ES) ...
www.newstin.com/show-document.a?edition=es&document_id... – Cached
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:8Bd4vcbMkt8J:tvnz.co.nz...
Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo Defrocked by Pope Benedict XVI....
18 Dec 2009 ... The archbishop resigned as head of the archdiocese of Lusaka, Zambia, in 1982, ... Since then, Milingo has campaigned for an end to priestly celibacy as ... Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo Defrocked by Pope Benedict XVI. ...
www.tldm.org/.../ArchbishopEmmanuelMilingoDefrockedbyPopeBe... - Cached
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reduce him to lay status
Pope Benedict XVI is to decide whether to defrock Fernando Lugo, a Roman Catholic Bishop, following his election as President of Paraguay, Vatican sources said today.
Mr Lugo, 56, a former Divine Word missionary and Bishop, was elected President of Paraguay with 41 per cent of the vote with a platform of land reform and help for the poor. His election ended over 60 years of rule by the Colorado Party, whose candidate Blanca Ovelar received 31 per cent of the vote.
Mr Lugo was ordained in 1977, and served as a missionary in Ecuador for five years. In 1992 he was appointed head of the Divine Word order in Paraguay, and was ordained a Bishop in 1994 by Pope John Paul II. He served for a decade as Bishop of the backward region of San Pedro, where his support for landless peasants earned him the nickname “Bishop of the Poor”.
He came to national prominence in March 2006 when he helped to organise and lead an opposition rally in the capital Asuncion. He resigned from the priesthood nine months later. But the Vatican refused to accept the resignation, arguing that serving as a priest is a “freely accepted lifetime commitment.”
Instead the Vatican suspended him from his duties “a divinis”, meaning that he could no longer say Mass or carry out other priestly functions such as administering the sacraments. This was enough to enable him to stand in the Presidential elections, but his victory now presents the Vatican with a dilemma over whether to “reduce him to lay status”.
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Pope may defrock Fernando Lugo, former bishop voted Paraguay ...
23 Apr 2008 ... Pope Benedict XVI is to decide whether to defrock Fernando Lugo, ... the Vatican with a dilemma over whether to “reduce him to lay status”. ...
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3796652.ece - Similar
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23 Apr 2008 ... Pope may defrock Fernando Lugo, former bishop voted Paraguay president ... with a dilemma over whether to “reduce him to lay status”. ...
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3796652.ece?...
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Wapedia - Wiki: Defrocking
In certain very rare cases, even a bishop can be reduced to a lay state. On December 17 2009, ... Laicization removes the ordained status completely. ...
wapedia.mobi/en/Defrock - Cached
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hmmm
I do like "defrocked"!!
Defrocking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
To defrock, unfrock, or laicize a minister or priest is to remove their right to ... A Catholic cleric may also voluntarily request to be laicized for ...
Roman Catholicism - Eastern Orthodoxy - Anglicanism - Methodism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defrocking - Cached - Similar
El Papa reduce al polémico arzobispo Milingo al estado laical
- [ Translate this page ]
El papa Benedicto XVI ha reducido al estado laical al polémico arzobispo emérito (jubilado) de Lusaka (Zambia), ... Pope Benedict XVI. Regions (ES) ...
www.newstin.com/show-document.a?edition=es&document_id... – Cached
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:8Bd4vcbMkt8J:tvnz.co.nz...
Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo Defrocked by Pope Benedict XVI....
18 Dec 2009 ... The archbishop resigned as head of the archdiocese of Lusaka, Zambia, in 1982, ... Since then, Milingo has campaigned for an end to priestly celibacy as ... Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo Defrocked by Pope Benedict XVI. ...
www.tldm.org/.../ArchbishopEmmanuelMilingoDefrockedbyPopeBe... - Cached
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reduce him to lay status
Pope Benedict XVI is to decide whether to defrock Fernando Lugo, a Roman Catholic Bishop, following his election as President of Paraguay, Vatican sources said today.
Mr Lugo, 56, a former Divine Word missionary and Bishop, was elected President of Paraguay with 41 per cent of the vote with a platform of land reform and help for the poor. His election ended over 60 years of rule by the Colorado Party, whose candidate Blanca Ovelar received 31 per cent of the vote.
Mr Lugo was ordained in 1977, and served as a missionary in Ecuador for five years. In 1992 he was appointed head of the Divine Word order in Paraguay, and was ordained a Bishop in 1994 by Pope John Paul II. He served for a decade as Bishop of the backward region of San Pedro, where his support for landless peasants earned him the nickname “Bishop of the Poor”.
He came to national prominence in March 2006 when he helped to organise and lead an opposition rally in the capital Asuncion. He resigned from the priesthood nine months later. But the Vatican refused to accept the resignation, arguing that serving as a priest is a “freely accepted lifetime commitment.”
Instead the Vatican suspended him from his duties “a divinis”, meaning that he could no longer say Mass or carry out other priestly functions such as administering the sacraments. This was enough to enable him to stand in the Presidential elections, but his victory now presents the Vatican with a dilemma over whether to “reduce him to lay status”.
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Note added at 8 mins (2010-01-18 16:21:35 GMT)
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Pope may defrock Fernando Lugo, former bishop voted Paraguay ...
23 Apr 2008 ... Pope Benedict XVI is to decide whether to defrock Fernando Lugo, ... the Vatican with a dilemma over whether to “reduce him to lay status”. ...
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3796652.ece - Similar
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Printer Friendly
23 Apr 2008 ... Pope may defrock Fernando Lugo, former bishop voted Paraguay president ... with a dilemma over whether to “reduce him to lay status”. ...
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3796652.ece?...
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Wapedia - Wiki: Defrocking
In certain very rare cases, even a bishop can be reduced to a lay state. On December 17 2009, ... Laicization removes the ordained status completely. ...
wapedia.mobi/en/Defrock - Cached
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Note added at 12 mins (2010-01-18 16:25:29 GMT)
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hmmm
I do like "defrocked"!!
Defrocking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
To defrock, unfrock, or laicize a minister or priest is to remove their right to ... A Catholic cleric may also voluntarily request to be laicized for ...
Roman Catholicism - Eastern Orthodoxy - Anglicanism - Methodism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defrocking - Cached - Similar
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
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Thank you!
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Robert Forstag
: Specifically, in the present context, "by being defrocked."
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I may have hit on something here:) Thank you!
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Aradai Pardo Martínez
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Thank you!
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Joseph Tein
: Ciao Liz. I like the verb 'defrocked' here.
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Hello there...so do I!
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Jenny Westwell
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Thank you!
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Jenny Westwell
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secular state
Saludos :)
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I withdraw this answer. Sorry, Laura, I submitted it in too much of a hurry without considering the context.
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Note added at 17 hrs (2010-01-19 09:32:39 GMT)
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I withdraw this answer. Sorry, Laura, I submitted it in too much of a hurry without considering the context.
Note from asker:
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Peer comment(s):
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imcven
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Thanks Ivan, but as several colleagues point out, my answer doesn´t actually fit the context! See the "Disagrees" below. Saludos :)
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Leonardo Lamarche
: agree.
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Thanks Leonardo, but as several colleagues point out, my answer doesn´t actually fit the context! See the "Disagrees" below. Saludos :)
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Noni Gilbert Riley
: Ah yes. Ah well!
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Thanks aceavila, but as several colleagues point out, my answer doesn´t actually fit the context! See the "Disagrees" below. Saludos :)
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liz askew
: I do not believe this is the meaning at all. It is about "status" not "state". http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=secular stat...|countryGB&aq=&oq=secular+stateto+defrock+reduce+to+lay+status
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You´re quite right, Liz, I´m afraid I didn´t look at this properly. Thanks for pointing it out. :)
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philgoddard
: Liz is right.
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Yes, she is, and I stand humbly corrected. Thanks Phil :)
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Jim Tucker (X)
: Check context. This is a form of punishment (cf. castigados) that happens to an individual, like excommunication. CL 5 is unwarranted.//OK, no problem, of course.
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You´re right on both counts, Jim, thanks for your input. I would withdraw my answer if I knew how!
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Joseph Tein
: This seems to be a word-for-word translation without consideration of the meaning needed. And there is no explanation or justification of the suggestion.//I really appreciate people who can take feedback graciously!
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Yes, I´m afraid I didn´t stop to consider the context. Thanks for your iinput.
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Carl Bahnson
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Thanks carl, but as several colleagues point out, my answer doesn´t actually fit the context! See the "Disagrees" below. Saludos :)
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