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Spanish term or phrase:
gatopardismo
English translation:
a situation where change is more apparent than real / gatopardism
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there is no more context, I'm afraid. It's talking about new economic solutions, but I would have to copy the entire text, which is not possible.
there is no more context, I'm afraid. It's talking about new economic solutions, but I would have to copy the entire text, which is not possible.
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a situation where change is more apparent than real
long-winded but this is what it means. Based on Lamedusa's novel The Leopard, it is used frequently to refer to the handover of power in Cuba from one Castro to the other.
Although used occasionally, I don't think "gatopardism" would be understood by many English readers.
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/04/throwing-in-the-towe...
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I mean Lampedusa of course!
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and I forgot to put in two other references
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/files/e59e358c8cf43c...
http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/research_studies/camontaner.pdf
Although used occasionally, I don't think "gatopardism" would be understood by many English readers.
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/04/throwing-in-the-towe...
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I mean Lampedusa of course!
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and I forgot to put in two other references
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/files/e59e358c8cf43c...
http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/research_studies/camontaner.pdf
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thanks, Liz! I am leaning towards a possible phrasing of the expression as it is used here as "creating the illusion of change" as per my discussion point.
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gatopardism
or mere facewash
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Without falling into legal “Gatopardism,” if democracy is to remain faithful to its essence, it must evolve.29 Of course, so should ...
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Gatopardism, 61–62. Geffcken, F. Heinrich, 34. Gelasius (Pope), on doctrine of the two swords, 164n42. Gellius, Aulus, 6–7, 82 ...
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El "gatopardismo" o lo "lampedusiano" es en ciencias políticas el "cambiar algo para que nada cambie", paradoja expuesta en la novela "El gatopardo", del escritor italiano Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa (1896-1957).
Desde entonces, en ciencias políticas se suele llamar "gatopardista" o "lampedusiano" al político, reformista o revolucionario que cede o reforma una parte de las estructuras para conservar el todo sin que nada cambie realmente.
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The Crisis of International Law
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de R Domingo - Citado por 1 - Artículos relacionados
Without falling into legal “Gatopardism,” if democracy is to remain faithful to its essence, it must evolve.29 Of course, so should ...
law.vanderbilt.edu/publications/journal-of...law/...5/download.aspx
[PDF]
View Index as PDF - 201 <a href="http://www.cambridge.org">www ...
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Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Vista rápida
Gatopardism, 61–62. Geffcken, F. Heinrich, 34. Gelasius (Pope), on doctrine of the two swords, 164n42. Gellius, Aulus, 6–7, 82 ...
assets.cambridge.org/97805211/93870/index/9780521193870_index.pdf
El "gatopardismo" o lo "lampedusiano" es en ciencias políticas el "cambiar algo para que nada cambie", paradoja expuesta en la novela "El gatopardo", del escritor italiano Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa (1896-1957).
Desde entonces, en ciencias políticas se suele llamar "gatopardista" o "lampedusiano" al político, reformista o revolucionario que cede o reforma una parte de las estructuras para conservar el todo sin que nada cambie realmente.
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liz askew
: who is going to understand this in an English-speaking/English audience, without some sort of explanation of the term??
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Liz, I'm not too sure Spanish-speaking/Spanish audience understands the term at first glance in Spanish either.
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Hermeneutica
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Quite agree, and it is definitely not automatically understood in Spanish either. Thanks.
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Constantinos Faridis (X)
: The Leopard (Italian: Il Gattopardo) is a novel by Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa that chronicles the changes in Sicilian life and society
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Wonderful book (and movie), by the way. Thanks.
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Elena Rodríguez
: there is also the saying "por la noche todos los gatos son pardos...." never heard an equivalent in English- not to mention "gatopardism"....
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Yes, a commonly used saying in Spanish- this word has nothing to do with it.
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double talk
If you can make it fit stylistically and rewriting a bit so as to lead back to the content?
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underhandedness/smooth talking
not too sure
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here are two definitions
Gatopardismo: intento y acción de cambiar todo para no cambiar nada en el stablishment o en una situación de ventaja.
Diccionario de Sociología - Google Books Result
Orlando Greco - 2003 - Social Science - 292 pages
GATOPARDISMO: término utilizado en política o en sociología para expresar fundamentalmente "cambiar algo para que nada cambie". Es decir, efectuar cambios ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=950743223X...
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so
underhandedness would not do
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I am trying to think of the word in English, Tony Blair was accused of it:
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waffling?
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I think it is "spin doctoring"
plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose
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Thus, while gatopardismo– changing in order to remain the same–has been essential to the ...... Miguel Montes, was spinning theories of a grand conspiracy: ...
www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/pub42.pdf
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http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_gatopardo
"Gatopardismo" y ciencias políticas [editar]
El "gatopardismo" o lo "lampedusiano" es en ciencias políticas el "cambiar algo para que nada cambie", paradoja expuesta en la novela "El gatopardo", del escritor italiano Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa (1896-1957). La cita original expresa la siguiente contradicción aparente:
"Si queremos que todo siga como está, es necesario que todo cambie".
"¿Y ahora qué sucederá? ¡Bah! Tratativas pespunteadas de tiroteos inocuos, y, después, todo será igual pese a que todo habrá cambiado".
"…una de esas batallas que se libran para que todo siga como está".
Desde entonces, en ciencias políticas se suele llamar "gatopardista" o "lampedusiano" al político, reformista o revolucionario que cede o reforma una parte de las estructuras para conservar el todo sin que nada cambie realmente.
Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
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El gatopardismo, o mucho más habitualmente, el adjetivo lampedusiano, ha pasado a definir el cinismo con el que los partidarios del Antiguo Régimen se ...
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Tomasi_di_Lampedusa - Cached - Similar
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Or to quote the Italian author, di Lampedusa "The more things have to remain the same, the more things will have to change." I will argue that perhaps Europe will find a way forward through a series of incremental reforms, rather than a single revolutionary reform.
sorry to "bang on".
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and here there is a reference
"Reform to Avert Change"
http://www.jstor.org/pss/1188297
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CFK: Change? What Change?
In Argentine politics there is a longstanding tradition of what is locally known as gatopardismo:36 to
make apparently significant changes that are actually superficial, in order to preserve political and
economic structures intact. To what extent does CFK represent a break with Kirchner’s policies described
above? Indications from her administration so far suggest that changes, if any, will be mostly cosmetic:
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here are two definitions
Gatopardismo: intento y acción de cambiar todo para no cambiar nada en el stablishment o en una situación de ventaja.
Diccionario de Sociología - Google Books Result
Orlando Greco - 2003 - Social Science - 292 pages
GATOPARDISMO: término utilizado en política o en sociología para expresar fundamentalmente "cambiar algo para que nada cambie". Es decir, efectuar cambios ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=950743223X...
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so
underhandedness would not do
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Note added at 15 mins (2010-05-21 09:28:58 GMT)
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I am trying to think of the word in English, Tony Blair was accused of it:
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Note added at 16 mins (2010-05-21 09:30:13 GMT)
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waffling?
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Note added at 18 mins (2010-05-21 09:32:22 GMT)
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I think it is "spin doctoring"
plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose
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Note added at 21 mins (2010-05-21 09:35:24 GMT)
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PDF]
Mexico in Crisis
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
by DE Schulz - 1995 - Cited by 7 - Related articles
Thus, while gatopardismo– changing in order to remain the same–has been essential to the ...... Miguel Montes, was spinning theories of a grand conspiracy: ...
www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/pub42.pdf
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http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_gatopardo
"Gatopardismo" y ciencias políticas [editar]
El "gatopardismo" o lo "lampedusiano" es en ciencias políticas el "cambiar algo para que nada cambie", paradoja expuesta en la novela "El gatopardo", del escritor italiano Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa (1896-1957). La cita original expresa la siguiente contradicción aparente:
"Si queremos que todo siga como está, es necesario que todo cambie".
"¿Y ahora qué sucederá? ¡Bah! Tratativas pespunteadas de tiroteos inocuos, y, después, todo será igual pese a que todo habrá cambiado".
"…una de esas batallas que se libran para que todo siga como está".
Desde entonces, en ciencias políticas se suele llamar "gatopardista" o "lampedusiano" al político, reformista o revolucionario que cede o reforma una parte de las estructuras para conservar el todo sin que nada cambie realmente.
Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
- [ Translate this page ]
El gatopardismo, o mucho más habitualmente, el adjetivo lampedusiano, ha pasado a definir el cinismo con el que los partidarios del Antiguo Régimen se ...
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Tomasi_di_Lampedusa - Cached - Similar
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:P_JoLTc...
Or to quote the Italian author, di Lampedusa "The more things have to remain the same, the more things will have to change." I will argue that perhaps Europe will find a way forward through a series of incremental reforms, rather than a single revolutionary reform.
sorry to "bang on".
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Note added at 1 hr (2010-05-21 10:14:13 GMT)
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and here there is a reference
"Reform to Avert Change"
http://www.jstor.org/pss/1188297
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Note added at 1 hr (2010-05-21 10:18:10 GMT)
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CFK: Change? What Change?
In Argentine politics there is a longstanding tradition of what is locally known as gatopardismo:36 to
make apparently significant changes that are actually superficial, in order to preserve political and
economic structures intact. To what extent does CFK represent a break with Kirchner’s policies described
above? Indications from her administration so far suggest that changes, if any, will be mostly cosmetic:
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I have always seen a difference between "gatopardismo" based on the proverb in Spanish with one "t" as pretending to observe/make differences, and "gattopardismo" in Italian based on Lampedusa's Sicilian novel, with two "tt" as political manoeuvering implying a public pretence of change, when in reality no significant change is made at all.
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I have always seen a difference between "gatopardismo" based on the proverb in Spanish with one "t" as pretending to observe/make differences, and "gattopardismo" in Italian based on Lampedusa's Sicilian novel, with two "tt" as political manoeuvering implying a public pretence of change, when in reality no significant change is made at all.
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smoke and mirrors
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making the necessary accommodations to social changes in order to slow the erosion of the status quo
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