Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

überpositives Recht

English translation:

natural law

Added to glossary by Diligent_Lisa
Sep 12, 2014 11:45
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German term

Hypothek im überpositiven Recht aufnimmt.

German to English Social Sciences Government / Politics Human rights education
This is a scientific paper about human rights education. I am having a hard time with the whole sentence and am completely lost on the part "nur unzureichend integrierte Hypothek im überpositiven Recht aufnimmt." The second sentence is just for more context.


Dewey erweckt hier den Eindruck, dass sein Rekurs auf grund- und menschenrechtskonforme Bestandsvoraussetzungen einer pluralen Gesellschaft eine in das Gesamtkonzept seiner pragmatistischen Erziehungsphilosophie nur unzureichend integrierte Hypothek im überpositiven Recht aufnimmt.
Die Wertentscheidung für Demokratie, Menschenwürde und Anerkennung der Person liegt dem demokratischen Erziehungsprozess voraus. „Demokratie als Lebensform“ ist ein performatives Konzept, das diese Werte nur solange begründet, wie eben der Prozess tatsächlich als menschenrechtskonformer Prozess stattfindet.

This is my suggested english translation, but again I am unsure of the meaning in general so any help would be much appreciated.

"Dewey gives the impression that his appeal to inventory requirements of a pluralistic society that are compliant with fundamental and human rights, absorbs a burden in an extremely positive law which is inadequately integrated into the overall concept of his pragmatic philosophy of education."

THANK YOU!!!
Proposed translations (English)
1 positive law

Discussion

billcorno (X) Sep 15, 2014:
dependent clause to "Gesellschaft" So the phrase in question relates to "Gesellschaft" or society, yes? "nur unzureichend integrierte Hypothek im überpositiven Recht aufnimmt" relates to society, I think. That means that the "dass" phrase is left without an ending verb. That IS abstract. Looks like you have the task of making the translation more complete than the original. Literary license is warranted?
I agree that it's natural law, not positive law.
Horst Huber (X) Sep 14, 2014:
No reason for confusion. It is all about abstract notions, but the "mortgage" metaphor is quite plain. You could call it taking out a loan. It is quite commonly said in German philosophical discourse that thinkers spend intellectual capital that is not theirs.
Diligent_Lisa (asker) Sep 13, 2014:
Thank you for this discussion. I am unfortunately not sure what Hypothek means in this sense. It is a published article that has no (other) mistakes in it so I doubt that he meant to write Hypothese...
I will try to incorporate what Horst Huber said.
(Note to self - NEVER agree to translate a philosophy text if you haven't studied it!) ;)
philgoddard Sep 12, 2014:
Could Hypothek be a mistake for Hypothese?
philgoddard Sep 12, 2014:
First of all, my commiserations at having to translate this!
Paul implies, and German Wikipedia actually says, that "überpositives Recht" is the same as natural law:
"Der Gegenbegriff [of Positives Recht] ist das überpositive Recht oder Naturrecht".
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positives_Recht
It's "überpositiv" because it transcends human laws.
I'm still struggling with the second half of the paragraph, but I think this is what the first half means:

"Here, Dewey implies that the incorporation within his pragmatic educational philosophy of fundamental assumptions about human rights in a plural society..."
Horst Huber (X) Sep 12, 2014:
It is not about legal theory. The metaphor says that an unsecured mortgage is taken on, from the speculative realm beyond (supra not super) all positive law. It is inadequately grounded in the educational theories of pragmatism (the philosphy of Dewey at al).
stolley Sep 12, 2014:
Glad to be able to help! Best wishes, S
stolley Sep 12, 2014:
supra vs natural Hi, Paul, yes, of course Natural Law would be a natural solution, but as a translator, I would hesitate to make the substitution without consulting the author!
Paul Skidmore Sep 12, 2014:
positive law v natural law Legal theory often distinguishes between natural law and positive law.

Oversimplifying somewhat, positive law is principally"man-made" law

Natural law stands for rules and principles derived from "nature", often argued to be universal.

When German writers talk of überpositives Recht, this is often translated as Sarah Tolley has pointed out as "supra-positive law". In many cases, supra-positive law can be equated with natural law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

Proposed translations

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positive law

Dewey believed that there is a law higher than that of any positive legal system...
So in this case, you are looking for a higher law! suggest translation below... hope this helps
Example sentence:

unzureichend integrierte Hypothek im überpositiven Recht aufnimmt.

relies heavily on sketchy notions of supra-positive law.

Note from asker:
I love it! Thanks stolley. It makes more sense to me now too. This is my reworked translation: Dewey gives the impression that his recourse to fundamental and human rights-compliant requirements of a pluralistic society relies heavily on sketchy notions of supra-positive law that are poorly integrated into the overall concept of his pragmatic philosophy of education. Sounds much better I think. Thanks a million!
Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : I'm not going to disagree because you've put this question as a 1, but no, it's natural law, the very opposite of positive law. And I'm not sure how you arrive at "sketchy notions of".
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