Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Serbian term or phrase:
Viseći tok rijeke
English translation:
perched river (flow)
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Viseći tok rijeke
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Низводно од изворишне зоне ријека Брегава је висећи ток.
Trazila sam dodatno objasnjenje i evo ga: Viseći tok je rijeka koja teče na vodopropusnoj podlozi odnosno, kao što je prikazano na slici na naslagama riječnog nanaosa, koji se nalazi iznad tog vodopropusnog sloja. Drugim rječima, pošto je nivo podzemne vode niži od nivoa korita, ta rijeka umjesto da ponire u podzemlje teče površinski.
Trazila sam dodatno objasnjenje i evo ga: Viseći tok je rijeka koja teče na vodopropusnoj podlozi odnosno, kao što je prikazano na slici na naslagama riječnog nanaosa, koji se nalazi iznad tog vodopropusnog sloja. Drugim rječima, pošto je nivo podzemne vode niži od nivoa korita, ta rijeka umjesto da ponire u podzemlje teče površinski.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +2 | perched river (flow) |
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| 4 | Surface runoff water |
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perched river (flow)
U skladu sa navedenim u diskusiji, mislim da je to u pitanju:
http://www.if.uidaho.edu/~johnson/ifiwrri/sr3/swgw.html
Another hydrologic condition exists that is very important in understanding surface and ground water interaction. A surface water body is perched above an aquifer when aquifer water levels are well below the bed of the river, stream, or lake (see perched stream illustration). Under these conditions, water will seep from the surface water body to the ground water, but the surface water body will not be affected by aquifer water levels and consequently does not change in response to ground water pumping. Nearby ground water pumping will cause a lowering of the water table, but will not affect surface water supplies.
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The degree of river and aquifer interconnection is of great importance in controlling the amount of surface water depletion resulting from ground water pumping. If a river is perched above an aquifer, ground water pumping has no effect on river flow. If the river is not perched, but sediments have accumulated in the riverbed, or the river only slightly penetrates into the aquifer, then the hydraulic communication between the river and aquifer may be limited. Examples are shown in the following illustrations: partially penetrating river with silt deposition and fully penetrating rivers. Spring discharge will nearly always be impacted by nearby ground water pumping from the same aquifer.
Upravo je to slučaj kod reke Bregave, nivo podzemnih voda (vodenog ogledala) je daleko ispod korita reke, pogledati Sl. 3 uz tekst o reci Bregavi koji sam navela u referenci.
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Linkovi:
https://www.google.rs/search?q="pearched water flow" &ie=utf...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perch
: a bar or peg on which something is hung
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Nema na čemu, i drugi put! :-)
http://www.if.uidaho.edu/~johnson/ifiwrri/sr3/swgw.html
Another hydrologic condition exists that is very important in understanding surface and ground water interaction. A surface water body is perched above an aquifer when aquifer water levels are well below the bed of the river, stream, or lake (see perched stream illustration). Under these conditions, water will seep from the surface water body to the ground water, but the surface water body will not be affected by aquifer water levels and consequently does not change in response to ground water pumping. Nearby ground water pumping will cause a lowering of the water table, but will not affect surface water supplies.
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The degree of river and aquifer interconnection is of great importance in controlling the amount of surface water depletion resulting from ground water pumping. If a river is perched above an aquifer, ground water pumping has no effect on river flow. If the river is not perched, but sediments have accumulated in the riverbed, or the river only slightly penetrates into the aquifer, then the hydraulic communication between the river and aquifer may be limited. Examples are shown in the following illustrations: partially penetrating river with silt deposition and fully penetrating rivers. Spring discharge will nearly always be impacted by nearby ground water pumping from the same aquifer.
Upravo je to slučaj kod reke Bregave, nivo podzemnih voda (vodenog ogledala) je daleko ispod korita reke, pogledati Sl. 3 uz tekst o reci Bregavi koji sam navela u referenci.
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Linkovi:
https://www.google.rs/search?q="pearched water flow" &ie=utf...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perch
: a bar or peg on which something is hung
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Note added at 6 hrs (2013-04-25 12:57:44 GMT)
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Nema na čemu, i drugi put! :-)
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Surface runoff water
To bi bio prijevod.
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Ovo je ono sto ste trazikli: 'Infiltration excess overland flow'
This occurs when the rate of rainfall on a surface exceeds the rate at which water can infiltrate the ground, and any depression storage has already been filled. This is called infiltration excess overland flow, Hortonian overland flow (after Robert E. Horton), or unsaturated overland flow.
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Ovo je ono sto ste trazikli: 'Infiltration excess overland flow'
This occurs when the rate of rainfall on a surface exceeds the rate at which water can infiltrate the ground, and any depression storage has already been filled. This is called infiltration excess overland flow, Hortonian overland flow (after Robert E. Horton), or unsaturated overland flow.
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Daryo
: ima sličnosti, ali to su pre površinske vode koje se slivaju bilo gde nakon kiše, ne opis toka jedne reke//Surface runoff into a river - voda koja se sliva u reku
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Mira Stepanovic
: "Surface runoff water" = površinsko dreniranje, v. isti tekst na Vikipediji na ruskom; http://www.snp.co.me/inc/my_documents/elaborat.pdf Podzemno i površinsko dreniranje ; ili oticanje: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otjecanje
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viseći tok
http://www.google.rs/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=...
Zapravo, dolina rijeke Krke upravo na području Sjevernodalmatinske
zaravni, gdje u geološkom sastavu prevladavaju karbonatne naslage, predstavlja poseban fenomen. To još više dolazi do izražaja ako uzmemo u obzir činjenicu da ona zapravo predstavlja viseći tok (BONACCI, PERICA, 1990., FRITZ I DR. 1990.). Naime, na najvećem dijelu od Kninskog polja do Roškog slapa Krka teče i do 100 metara iznad lica vode temeljnice, a da pri tom ne gubi vodu iz svoga korita (BONACCI, PERICA, 1990.). No, osim prirodnih faktora, na današnji izgled područja oko rijeke Krke, ali i na određene hidrološke elemente (brzina otjecanja vode i vodostaj), znatno je utjecao i čovjek svojim aktivnostima.
http://www.omis.hr/2012pdf/PU_Omis.pdf
U tom dijelu Cetina protječe širokim mezozojskim karbonatnim područjem koje je intenzivno okršeno i dobro propusno. Zbog tog Cetina ovdje ima uglavnom tzv. „viseći“ tok osobito u sušnom periodu, kad vode rijeke hrane podzemlje i nizvodne izvore (Jadro, Žrnovnicu na jugozapadu i Studenac na jugu).
Na osnovu prethodno navedenog, čini mi se da "suspended" nije adekvatno rešenje - "suspended" jeste nešto što visi, što je "obešeno" kao npr. suspended ceiling (viseći plafon) ali bih rekla da to ovde nije slučaj.
Mene sve ovo navodi na pomisao da to ima neke veze sa "lebdećom" tj. "visećom" vodom, tj. "pearched water":
https://www.google.rs/search?q="pearched water" "lebdeća vod...
Viseća voda - ako se kretanje cijedne vode kroz profil tla obustavi zbog nepropusnosti dubljih slojeva, onda govorimo o »visećoj« vodi.
http://www.rgf.bg.ac.rs/predmet/RO/III semestar/Osnovi hidro...
1 - zemljišni sloj; 2-4 - pesak prvenstveno sitnozrn, srednjezrn i krupnozrn sa šljunkom; 5 - kapilarno-lebdeća voda;
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_serbian/geology/4731842...
Zaista nisam sigurna, mislim da bi bilo najbolje ako biste mogli da potražite tumačenje od klijenta.
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"perched" naravno
Zapravo, dolina rijeke Krke upravo na području Sjevernodalmatinske
zaravni, gdje u geološkom sastavu prevladavaju karbonatne naslage, predstavlja poseban fenomen. To još više dolazi do izražaja ako uzmemo u obzir činjenicu da ona zapravo predstavlja viseći tok (BONACCI, PERICA, 1990., FRITZ I DR. 1990.). Naime, na najvećem dijelu od Kninskog polja do Roškog slapa Krka teče i do 100 metara iznad lica vode temeljnice, a da pri tom ne gubi vodu iz svoga korita (BONACCI, PERICA, 1990.). No, osim prirodnih faktora, na današnji izgled područja oko rijeke Krke, ali i na određene hidrološke elemente (brzina otjecanja vode i vodostaj), znatno je utjecao i čovjek svojim aktivnostima.
http://www.omis.hr/2012pdf/PU_Omis.pdf
U tom dijelu Cetina protječe širokim mezozojskim karbonatnim područjem koje je intenzivno okršeno i dobro propusno. Zbog tog Cetina ovdje ima uglavnom tzv. „viseći“ tok osobito u sušnom periodu, kad vode rijeke hrane podzemlje i nizvodne izvore (Jadro, Žrnovnicu na jugozapadu i Studenac na jugu).
Na osnovu prethodno navedenog, čini mi se da "suspended" nije adekvatno rešenje - "suspended" jeste nešto što visi, što je "obešeno" kao npr. suspended ceiling (viseći plafon) ali bih rekla da to ovde nije slučaj.
Mene sve ovo navodi na pomisao da to ima neke veze sa "lebdećom" tj. "visećom" vodom, tj. "pearched water":
https://www.google.rs/search?q="pearched water" "lebdeća vod...
Viseća voda - ako se kretanje cijedne vode kroz profil tla obustavi zbog nepropusnosti dubljih slojeva, onda govorimo o »visećoj« vodi.
http://www.rgf.bg.ac.rs/predmet/RO/III semestar/Osnovi hidro...
1 - zemljišni sloj; 2-4 - pesak prvenstveno sitnozrn, srednjezrn i krupnozrn sa šljunkom; 5 - kapilarno-lebdeća voda;
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_serbian/geology/4731842...
Zaista nisam sigurna, mislim da bi bilo najbolje ako biste mogli da potražite tumačenje od klijenta.
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"perched" naravno
Discussion
to mi daje sliku reke koja teče (ne spominju se povremeni prekidi površinskog toka u definiciji) iznad vodopropusnog sloja umesto da ponire do vodonepropusnog sloja i teče kao podzemna reka.
Korito reke je od vodonepropusnih sedimenata i pravi vrstu oluka kroz koji reka teče. Reka je "viseća" u smislu da "visi iznad" podzemnog sloja po kome bi inače tekla da nema vodonepropusnog korita.
Ne treba zaboraviti da je u pitanju kraški teren - voda retko ostaje na površini, obično ponire na kontaktu krečnjaka i vodonepropusnog terena, ili ostane na površini ako rečni sedimenti prave "oluk" koji zadržava vodu na površini.
Postoji neki drugi izraz za reke koje povremeno presušuju, ali nije "viseća reka" niti "viseći tok", mislim da je "suvaja".
ovo bi mogao biti odgovarajuci termin, mada u slucaju ove rijeke Bregave, korito rijeke nije izdignuto vec je nize od okolnog tla. sacekacemo jos da se izjasne kolege. mozda neko dodje sa elegantnijim rjesenjem. hvala daryo!