Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
avoir fait expertiser au sec
English translation:
having done an out-of-water survey
Added to glossary by
Chris Hall
Sep 25, 2010 00:13
13 yrs ago
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French term
fait expertiser au sec
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Ships, Sailing, Maritime
Deed of sale of a boat
Context = Deed of sale of a boat (please see below).
Etat du navire:
Monsieur XXX, l'acheteur du navire, déclare bien connaître le navire, l'avoir visité et *** fait expertiser au sec *** pour l'accepter dans l'état où il se trouve.
Many thanks in advance for helpful suggestions. Chris.
Etat du navire:
Monsieur XXX, l'acheteur du navire, déclare bien connaître le navire, l'avoir visité et *** fait expertiser au sec *** pour l'accepter dans l'état où il se trouve.
Many thanks in advance for helpful suggestions. Chris.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +4 | had a haul-out survey done | Bourth (X) |
4 | checked by an expert out of water | Sandra & Kenneth Grossman |
Change log
Sep 25, 2010 00:51: writeaway changed "Field" from "Law/Patents" to "Tech/Engineering" , "Field (specific)" from "Law (general)" to "Ships, Sailing, Maritime"
Proposed translations
+4
8 hrs
Selected
had a haul-out survey done
The BOTTOM SURVEY If the surveyor has done a good job with the interior, then his work on the bottom is going to be the easiest part of the job. By this time, he already knows if there are loose planks, bad frames, deterioration, weepage or leakage and where all these things are located. Long before it comes out of the water, he has a pretty good idea of whether this is a sound hull, and in many cases he'll already know that it isn't, so there's no point in HAULING.
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Wood.htm
If only an in-water survey is required and the vessel is not to be HAULED, a full assessment of the bottom, drive shafts, propellers rudders and through-hull fittings will not be possible.
If only an OUT-OF-WATER SURVEY is required, it will not be possible to sea trial the vessel or ascertain the watertight state of some components (ie shaft seals, transducers, and running temperatures of engines and transmissions). If a WET-AND-DRY SURVEY can not be carried out on the same day a travel cost may be incurred. [ ... ]
Add $2.50 per foot if a BOTTOM SURVEY is carried out at the same time as a top side inspection .
Notes: in most cases an OUT-OF-WATER SURVEY will be necessary for insurance purposes .
http://www.holohanmarine.com/surveys.html
Class notation for ships built for IN-WATER SURVEY of ship's bottom and related items
Provided there is good visibility in the water, some of the bottom surveys required by class and Flag states may be carried out by recognised diving companies with the vessel afloat. Subject to limitations that apply to certain combinations of ship type and age, the notation allows for less frequent dry docking as EVERY ALTERNATE BOTTOM SURVEY MAY BE CARRIED OUT WITH THE SHIP AFLOAT provided this is acceptable to the flag state.
http://www.dnv.com/industry/maritime/servicessolutions/class...
Sea trial and HAUL-OUT (SURVEY INSPECTION) are included in the price of the survey when performed the same day of the physical survey. Some clients ...
www.thisoldboatmarinesurvey.com/pdf/worder.pdf
HAUL OUT SURVEY. A vessel should never be bought without an OUT-OF-THE-WATER SURVEY. As it is, interiors of most hulls are only intermittently (about 30%) ...
www.schulzsurveyors.com/haul.htm
What does a survey cost?
They charge by the foot. My 30 foot boat cost around $380 a few years ago (in the SF Bay Area). Not including HAUL OUT (also by the foot). [ ... ]
Our survey a couple of years ago cost about $800 which included a two hour sea trial and a very detailed HAUL OUT SURVEY (did not include haul out costs) ... ]
From my research, $20/ft is a good starting point for the basic survey here in South Florida. The mechanic charged me $100 for the engine check and oil samples ($60 for both). The rigger charged me $100 to evaluate the standing and running rigging. A SHORT HAUL (4 hours max in the slings) was $200.
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-review-purchase-forum/659...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2010-09-25 08:43:56 GMT)
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Haul Out: The process of removing a vessel from the water for repairs or a survey inspection. Usually ordered to facilitate an external hull inspection by a marine surveyor. Required on larger vessels by most marine lenders.
http://www.marinetitle.com/glossary.htm
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Note added at 10 hrs (2010-09-25 10:48:10 GMT)
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Unlike the christening of a boat which might be au sec, au demi-sec, or au doux.
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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-09-25 14:28:29 GMT)
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Ultimately the translation might depend on the size of the vessel, using something specific to that category, though a "one-size-fits-all" translation like "out-of-water survey" will cover all. Certainly the QEII (is she still afloat?) would not be "hauled out" but "put into dry dock".
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Wood.htm
If only an in-water survey is required and the vessel is not to be HAULED, a full assessment of the bottom, drive shafts, propellers rudders and through-hull fittings will not be possible.
If only an OUT-OF-WATER SURVEY is required, it will not be possible to sea trial the vessel or ascertain the watertight state of some components (ie shaft seals, transducers, and running temperatures of engines and transmissions). If a WET-AND-DRY SURVEY can not be carried out on the same day a travel cost may be incurred. [ ... ]
Add $2.50 per foot if a BOTTOM SURVEY is carried out at the same time as a top side inspection .
Notes: in most cases an OUT-OF-WATER SURVEY will be necessary for insurance purposes .
http://www.holohanmarine.com/surveys.html
Class notation for ships built for IN-WATER SURVEY of ship's bottom and related items
Provided there is good visibility in the water, some of the bottom surveys required by class and Flag states may be carried out by recognised diving companies with the vessel afloat. Subject to limitations that apply to certain combinations of ship type and age, the notation allows for less frequent dry docking as EVERY ALTERNATE BOTTOM SURVEY MAY BE CARRIED OUT WITH THE SHIP AFLOAT provided this is acceptable to the flag state.
http://www.dnv.com/industry/maritime/servicessolutions/class...
Sea trial and HAUL-OUT (SURVEY INSPECTION) are included in the price of the survey when performed the same day of the physical survey. Some clients ...
www.thisoldboatmarinesurvey.com/pdf/worder.pdf
HAUL OUT SURVEY. A vessel should never be bought without an OUT-OF-THE-WATER SURVEY. As it is, interiors of most hulls are only intermittently (about 30%) ...
www.schulzsurveyors.com/haul.htm
What does a survey cost?
They charge by the foot. My 30 foot boat cost around $380 a few years ago (in the SF Bay Area). Not including HAUL OUT (also by the foot). [ ... ]
Our survey a couple of years ago cost about $800 which included a two hour sea trial and a very detailed HAUL OUT SURVEY (did not include haul out costs) ... ]
From my research, $20/ft is a good starting point for the basic survey here in South Florida. The mechanic charged me $100 for the engine check and oil samples ($60 for both). The rigger charged me $100 to evaluate the standing and running rigging. A SHORT HAUL (4 hours max in the slings) was $200.
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-review-purchase-forum/659...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2010-09-25 08:43:56 GMT)
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Haul Out: The process of removing a vessel from the water for repairs or a survey inspection. Usually ordered to facilitate an external hull inspection by a marine surveyor. Required on larger vessels by most marine lenders.
http://www.marinetitle.com/glossary.htm
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Note added at 10 hrs (2010-09-25 10:48:10 GMT)
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Unlike the christening of a boat which might be au sec, au demi-sec, or au doux.
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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-09-25 14:28:29 GMT)
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Ultimately the translation might depend on the size of the vessel, using something specific to that category, though a "one-size-fits-all" translation like "out-of-water survey" will cover all. Certainly the QEII (is she still afloat?) would not be "hauled out" but "put into dry dock".
Note from asker:
Very helpful indeed. Thank you. |
I am leaning more towards "out-of-water survey", but as always, your references are very useful and informative. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Very helpful and well-detailed answer as always. Many thanks."
6 hrs
checked by an expert out of water
I translated something similar recently.
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
writeaway
: was the boat out of water or was it the expert? See last night's discussion box
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I had not seen the discussion box when I wrote this. BTW, why didn't you post an answer? I would have agreed with you.
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Tony M
: The usual term in marine context is 'survey/or'
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Discussion
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