Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
sciences naturelles et sciences physiques
English translation:
Biology and Physics
Added to glossary by
Drmanu49
Aug 27, 2007 00:32
16 yrs ago
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French term
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sciences naturelles et sciences physiques
French to English
Social Sciences
Education / Pedagogy
Les modules vous permettent d’effectuer un regroupement de matières sous un thème commun, par exemple le module scientifique pourra regrouper les matières suivantes :
les mathématiques, sciences physiques, sciences naturelles…
In the educational domain "Physical/Natural science" is not so common in English to the best of my knowledge. What do these entail in French exactly? Can I replace both items in the list with Chemistry, Physics and Biology which are normally on the curriculum in secondary schools (highschools)?
les mathématiques, sciences physiques, sciences naturelles…
In the educational domain "Physical/Natural science" is not so common in English to the best of my knowledge. What do these entail in French exactly? Can I replace both items in the list with Chemistry, Physics and Biology which are normally on the curriculum in secondary schools (highschools)?
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | Biology and Physics |
Drmanu49
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| 4 +8 | natural and physical sciences |
David Hollywood
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| 5 +3 | Life and physical sciences |
Michael Barnett
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Change log
Aug 28, 2007 18:37: Drmanu49 Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Biology and Physics
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I am not sure you can include chemistry under sciences physiques.
In this ref these are two different items.
physique chimie et physique appliquée,sciences physiques et chimiques fondamentales et appliquées,académie de Nancy-Metz : informations, documents, ...
www.ac-nancy-metz.fr/enseign/physique/sc_index.htm - 4k -
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I am not sure you can include chemistry under sciences physiques.
In this ref these are two different items.
physique chimie et physique appliquée,sciences physiques et chimiques fondamentales et appliquées,académie de Nancy-Metz : informations, documents, ...
www.ac-nancy-metz.fr/enseign/physique/sc_index.htm - 4k -
Note from asker:
| It's true that there are only two different items, but they are in a list of examples. Can Chemistry not be considered a "science naturelle" then? If so I would prefer turning those two items into three since that is more complete... |
Peer comment(s):
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Denali
: Agree with Drmanu49 explanations. and no chemistry is not part of scien.nat.
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Thank you.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Although the other answers are right, Physics and Biology are on the curriculum in schools that I am familiar with. Since it's only an example list there's no need to really include Chemistry. Thanks for your help!"
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14 mins
David Hollywood
Native in English
worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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natural and physical sciences
seems ok to me ....
Note from asker:
| As broad categories in general usage, this is correct, but since I am listing school subjects, I did so as they are usually called in schools I'm familiar with. Thanks a lot for your input though :-) |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Trudy Peters
: don't see any need to stray from the original. Lots of Googles.
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| agree |
Melissa McMahon
: The meaning is that given by Michael below, but the google evidence suggests the expression is also used in English. I would not use specific discipline names like "biology", etc. as the expression is broader.
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| agree |
veratek
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| agree |
LM Loh
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| agree |
lindaellen (X)
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| agree |
Karen Stokes
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| agree |
Tamara Salvio
: definitely used in English - "life sciences" is also good, but I would not change the text by attempting to make it more specific.
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| agree |
Leny Vargas
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Drmanu49
: If this is part of a program the list must be specific as in the original French document.
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Michael Barnett
: When used in English, "natural science" would include the physical sciences. The term is used in contrast to the "social sciences".
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Life and physical sciences
À l'origine, les sciences naturelles désignaient l'étude et la description des aspects physiques (du grec, physis, « nature ») du monde.
D'autres acception du terme "sciences naturelles" existaient également. Ainsi, les botanistes, zoologues et mycologues ont longtemps été appelés naturalistes parce que leur étude du monde vivant se fait principalement sur le terrain (herborisation, récolte), alors que le terme de biologiste était réservé à l'étude en laboratoire.
Aujourd'hui, les sciences naturelles sont plus généralement comprises comme « l'ensemble formé par les "sciences de la vie" et celles de l'écosystème ayant permis l'éclosion de la vie. » [1]
La séparation d'avec les "sciences de la nature" fut institutionnellement établi en France en 1958, avec l'apparition des options "sciences de la terre" et "sciences biologiques" au sein de l'agrégation de sciences naturelles.
http://www.science.uwa.edu.au/
http://www.mpls.ox.ac.uk/
The Mathematical, Physical and Life Sciences Division is one of four Divisions in the University, each with considerable devolved budgetary and financial authority; and responsibility for providing a broad strategic focus across its constituent disciplines.
Physical sciences would included physics and chemistry, geology, etc and life sciences would include biology and its allied sciences subch as anatomy, physiology, ecology, etc.
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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sciences_naturelles
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The term "natural science" has also been used to include the life sciences, together with the physical sciences, in contradistinction to the so-called "social sciences" such as psychology, sociology and anthropology. However, if the French term had been used in that sense, then the contradistinction to "physical sciences" would make no sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_science
D'autres acception du terme "sciences naturelles" existaient également. Ainsi, les botanistes, zoologues et mycologues ont longtemps été appelés naturalistes parce que leur étude du monde vivant se fait principalement sur le terrain (herborisation, récolte), alors que le terme de biologiste était réservé à l'étude en laboratoire.
Aujourd'hui, les sciences naturelles sont plus généralement comprises comme « l'ensemble formé par les "sciences de la vie" et celles de l'écosystème ayant permis l'éclosion de la vie. » [1]
La séparation d'avec les "sciences de la nature" fut institutionnellement établi en France en 1958, avec l'apparition des options "sciences de la terre" et "sciences biologiques" au sein de l'agrégation de sciences naturelles.
http://www.science.uwa.edu.au/
http://www.mpls.ox.ac.uk/
The Mathematical, Physical and Life Sciences Division is one of four Divisions in the University, each with considerable devolved budgetary and financial authority; and responsibility for providing a broad strategic focus across its constituent disciplines.
Physical sciences would included physics and chemistry, geology, etc and life sciences would include biology and its allied sciences subch as anatomy, physiology, ecology, etc.
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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sciences_naturelles
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-08-27 02:02:35 GMT)
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The term "natural science" has also been used to include the life sciences, together with the physical sciences, in contradistinction to the so-called "social sciences" such as psychology, sociology and anthropology. However, if the French term had been used in that sense, then the contradistinction to "physical sciences" would make no sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_science
Note from asker:
| Thanks a lot for your help!! The categories definitely exist, but I went for the subject names as used in schools I am familiar with (and abandoned complicating matters with "Chemistry" since it isn't listed) |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
veratek
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Thank you V-T!
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Tamara Salvio
: Yes, I think this is better - see: The Natural Sciences encompass both life sciences (such as Biology) and physical sciences (such as Physics). www.environmentalprograms.net/guidance/natural-sci/
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Thanks Tamara! :-)
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Rachel Fell
: nice picture;-)
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Thanks Rachel! Anyone can "Simpsonize" himself at http://simpsonizeme.com/ :-)
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Drmanu49
: Hello Michael ;-). As part of a program I think the list must be specific as in the original French document, ie depending on the year of junior or high school, chemistry is (specifically mentioned, not a subpart) or is not part of the shoolyear program.
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Hi Manu! I am puzzled by your objection.
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