Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
Solera Fundacional
English translation:
first/initial/earliest/original vintages
Added to glossary by
Justin Peterson
Apr 10 09:56
1 mo ago
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Spanish term
Spain
Solera Fundacional
Spanish to English
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Wine / Oenology / Viticulture
wine
Verás los cachones de botas que pasan por los altos arcos que recuerdan a la Mezquita y llegan hasta la Sacristía, donde se encuentra el resultado de años de crianza y duermen las ***Soleras Fundacionales*** de 1905 con puntuaciones Parker de 100 puntos.
Foundational Vintages?
First Vintages?
BTW, the cachones are rows ; )
Foundational Vintages?
First Vintages?
BTW, the cachones are rows ; )
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | first/initial/earliest/original vintages |
Adoración Bodoque Martínez
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| 4 +3 | Foundation solera |
patinba
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References
| @ Justin |
Jane Martin
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Proposed translations
+1
2 hrs
Adoración Bodoque Martínez
Ireland
Ireland
Native in Spanish
Ireland
B.A. Eng. & Ling., DipTrans IoLET, MCIL
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Standard-Spain) 
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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8
Selected
first/initial/earliest/original vintages
'Due to the limited nature of these bottles, they are becoming increasingly difficult to source, particularly the original vintages from the 1980s.'
https://thefinestbubble.com/news-and-reviews/the-taittinger-...
https://www.vinetur.com/2020110362319/osborne-ensena-las-sol...
'La colección de vinos RARE o singulares está compuesta por cinco tesoros familiares que cuentan 5 historias singulares. Durante siglos, la familia Osborne ha mantenido una pequeña colección privada de las mejores soleras fundacionales, las que dan origen a esta casa, para su propio consumo.'
https://thefinestbubble.com/news-and-reviews/the-taittinger-...
https://www.vinetur.com/2020110362319/osborne-ensena-las-sol...
'La colección de vinos RARE o singulares está compuesta por cinco tesoros familiares que cuentan 5 historias singulares. Durante siglos, la familia Osborne ha mantenido una pequeña colección privada de las mejores soleras fundacionales, las que dan origen a esta casa, para su propio consumo.'
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I agree. Calling it a solera doesn't help the reader much."
+3
2 hrs
Foundation solera
The starting point for the process.
These are all top notch Sherries, easily the equal of many of the record breaking Clarets and Burgundies in terms of quality, and often much older, so amazing value. But this age thing is a problem. Most fine wines carry a vintage date so one knows how old they are, but Sherry very rarely does, and one comes across it for sale with the solera foundation date mistaken for the vintage, and a price to match, even though the word “solera” appears on the label! A quick glance at the bottle would tell most people the wine could not possibly be that age – I saw an “1830” with a plastic top! I believe it is generally ignorance rather than dishonesty.
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Note added at 2 horas (2024-04-10 12:52:17 GMT)
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Toro Albalá Viejísimo Amontillado 50cl
O'Briens Wine
https://www.obrienswine.ie › products
From a foundation solera dating to 1922, this is a complex and dry Amontillado from the small Montilla-Moriles region of central Andalucía.
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Note added at 1 día 2 horas (2024-04-11 12:24:41 GMT)
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Ageing in Jerez: The Solera System
http://jerez-xeres-sherry.blogspot.com › 2013/12 › agein...
"solera foundation" from jerez-xeres-sherry.blogspot.com
Dec 30, 2013 — Some brands of Sherry include the date of the Solera's foundation, (eg Gonzalez Byass Solera 1847) but this should not be mistaken for a vintage ...
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Note added at 1 día 2 horas (2024-04-11 12:26:34 GMT)
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The system of maturation is called solera. Take fortified base wine, fill the butt, and set this butt on the floor of the warehouse called bodega. We just founded a new solera. Next year fill another butt with a new base wine and set above the original one. Repeat the procedure 3-14 times. Solera is made.
These are all top notch Sherries, easily the equal of many of the record breaking Clarets and Burgundies in terms of quality, and often much older, so amazing value. But this age thing is a problem. Most fine wines carry a vintage date so one knows how old they are, but Sherry very rarely does, and one comes across it for sale with the solera foundation date mistaken for the vintage, and a price to match, even though the word “solera” appears on the label! A quick glance at the bottle would tell most people the wine could not possibly be that age – I saw an “1830” with a plastic top! I believe it is generally ignorance rather than dishonesty.
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Note added at 2 horas (2024-04-10 12:52:17 GMT)
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Toro Albalá Viejísimo Amontillado 50cl
O'Briens Wine
https://www.obrienswine.ie › products
From a foundation solera dating to 1922, this is a complex and dry Amontillado from the small Montilla-Moriles region of central Andalucía.
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Note added at 1 día 2 horas (2024-04-11 12:24:41 GMT)
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Ageing in Jerez: The Solera System
http://jerez-xeres-sherry.blogspot.com › 2013/12 › agein...
"solera foundation" from jerez-xeres-sherry.blogspot.com
Dec 30, 2013 — Some brands of Sherry include the date of the Solera's foundation, (eg Gonzalez Byass Solera 1847) but this should not be mistaken for a vintage ...
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Note added at 1 día 2 horas (2024-04-11 12:26:34 GMT)
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The system of maturation is called solera. Take fortified base wine, fill the butt, and set this butt on the floor of the warehouse called bodega. We just founded a new solera. Next year fill another butt with a new base wine and set above the original one. Repeat the procedure 3-14 times. Solera is made.
Note from asker:
| It may be common practice, but, personally, I don't think calling it a solera helps the reader ... I'd prefer something everyone will understand (first vintages) |
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
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Thanks, Phil!
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Jane Martin
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Thank you, Jane!
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pawlik
: I think "foundational solera" is more common, meaning dating to the foundation of the bodega in question, rather than the solera foundation date as suggested in your first reference.
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Thank you, but I have added some refs that show that the solera is a base wine that is founded.
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Reference comments
23 mins
Reference:
@ Justin
This Amontillado Solera Fundacion is one of the very best. It is taken, as its name maybe gives away, from the ***foundational solera*** and must be of a ripe old age, but wears its years with incredible grace. I may have been softened up a bit by the four top wines that preceeded it, but my notes are extremely, er, enthusiastic.
https://undertheflor.com/2017/06/23/amontillado-solera-funda...
Sorry no time to do more research but it looks as if in the industry they prefer not to translate 'solera'
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/solera
https://undertheflor.com/2017/06/23/amontillado-solera-funda...
Sorry no time to do more research but it looks as if in the industry they prefer not to translate 'solera'
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/solera
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
patinba
: If I had read your reference entry first, Jane, I would have saved myself some research effort.
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