le nom du parent qui ne lui a pas été transmis

English translation: the surname of a parent that is not the child's legal surname

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French term or phrase:	le nom du parent qui ne lui a pas été transmis
English translation:	the surname of a parent that is not the child's legal surname
Entered by:	Rowena Fuller (X)

08:08 Jul 19, 2018

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French term or phrase: le nom du parent qui ne lui a pas été transmis

From the judgment on a petition for name change filed by the parents of a legal minor. The parents wanted to remove the child's 2nd middle name, which was the mother's maiden name. The sentence I'm having trouble with comes from paragraph 278 of the "l'Instruction Générale Relative à l'Etat Civil" which was cited as the reason the judge approved the petition. The entire sentence is, "Il ne peut être attribué à l'enfant comme prénom le nom du parent qui ne lui a pas été transmis." I don't believe it means the mother didn't want the child to use her last name as a middle name as there's nothing in the judgment to that effect. The paragraph in the law where this line appears addresses the limitations placed on parents regarding their right to choose their child's name. Here's a link to the law https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFT...

Any help is much appreciated!

njpenne

the surname of a parent that is not the child's legal surname

Explanation:
French law on naming is a bit of a hornet's nest - basically you cannot give a child the mother's surname as a first or second name UNLESS it is also the child's registered surname (?) So the English ability to use both mother's and father's surname can only be achieved by registering the double barrelled name with a notary and then registering the child with that name. This being the case the judge upheld the request because the child's second name was basically illegal

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Rowena Fuller (X)
France
Local time: 06:18

Grading comment

Thanks! I think the original sentence in French is a bit awkward, especially if you're not familiar with the law, and I think this is the simplest way to express it.
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The name of the parent that has not been transmitted.

Mohamed Hosni

3 +1

suggestions

Nikki Scott-Despaigne

the surname of a parent that is not the child's legal surname

Rowena Fuller (X)

the surname of a parent which was not legally attributed to him/her

Kevin Oheix

Summary of reference entries provided

fwiw, hth

writeaway

Discussion entries: 3

Germaine

Canada

18:04 Jul 20, 2018

Pour ce qui est strictement du prénom, l'article 57 du Code civil apporte un autre éclairage:
The first names of the child are chosen by his father and mother. A woman who asked to keep her identity secret... may make known the first names she desires to be given to the child. Otherwise, or where his parents are unknown, the officer of civil status shall choose three first names the last of which takes the place of a family name to the child... Where these first names or one of them... or the name appears to him to be contrary to... the rights of third persons to the protection of their family names, the... government procurator*... may refer the matter to the family causes judge*. Where the judge considers that the first name is not consonant with the welfare of the child or interferes with the rights of third persons to the protection of their family names, he shall order its removal from the registers of civil status...

Germaine

Canada

17:55 Jul 20, 2018

Par ailleurs, le Code civil français dispose que:
(311-21) Where the parentage of a child has been established with regard to his two parents at the latest on the day ofdeclaration of his birth or afterwards but simultaneously, the parents shall choose the family name which devolves uponhim: either the father's name, or the mother's name, or both names coupled in the order they choose within the limit ofone family name for each of them...
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/content/download/1950/13681/v...

(311-25) La filiation est établie, à l'égard de la mère, par la désignation de celle-ci dans l'acte de naissance de l'enfant.
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do?idSectionTA=LEG...

Germaine

Canada

Nikki,

17:43 Jul 20, 2018

Je comprends que "Il ne peut être attribué à l'enfant comme prénom le nom du parent qui ne lui a pas été transmis." = Il ne peut être attribué à l'enfant comme prénom le nom du parent dont la filiation avec l'enfant n'est pas établie [= qui n'a pas reconnu l'enfant ou dont le nom n'apparaît pas à l'acte de naissance de l'enfant] :

Un parent ne peut transmettre son nom à un enfant que si sa filiation avec lui est établie. Elle l'est de plein droit si les parents sont mariés ensemble. S'ils ne le sont pas, la filiation doit être établie à l'égard de son père et de sa mère, la façon la plus simple étant la reconnaissance de l'enfant par chaque parent...
http://leparticulier.lefigaro.fr/jcms/c_46730/comment-faire-...

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10 mins confidence:

the surname of a parent that is not the child's legal surname

Rowena Fuller (X)
France
Local time: 06:18
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8

Grading comment

Thanks! I think the original sentence in French is a bit awkward, especially if you're not familiar with the law, and I think this is the simplest way to express it.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Melissa McMahon: Yes, it's a bit weird because the wording almost implies that you could use the surname you DID receive as a given name as well.

3 mins

-> I think that is the case - well weird ...

neutral

writeaway: imo the key is to whom the 'lui' refers to

2 hrs

neutral

Nikki Scott-Despaigne: I think that this could be improved by using "the other parent" in there somewhere. "A" parent is ambiguous. It reads as though the child could use as a frst name the same surname that he already has. This is difficult!

7 hrs

neutral

Germaine: the surname of a parent [whose] [for whom] parentage has not been established?

1 day 10 hrs

disagree

Mohamed Hosni: long and wrong.

2 days 7 hrs

-> Thank you for that helpful and enlightening comment Mohamed.

38 mins confidence:

the surname of a parent which was not legally attributed to him/her

Explanation:
The child shall not bear as forename the surname of a parent which was not legally attributed to him.

A tad litteral but I think that's what it means.

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Note added at 38 minutes (2018-07-19 08:47:06 GMT)
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literal*
him/her

Kevin Oheix
France
Local time: 06:18
Native speaker of:

French

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

Nikki Scott-Despaigne: The syntax is unfortunate as it reads as if it is about allocating a parent to a child.

7 hrs

neutral

AllegroTrans: Sounds like the him/her is the parent so this is confusing

15 hrs

disagree

Mohamed Hosni: Poor suggestion. ( nom> name)and not surname!!.

2 days 7 hrs

-> No comment.

agree

Rowena Fuller (X): Mohamed Surname is not the same as 'surnom'. In English your surname is the family name with which you are registered and your first or second name are the names your parents chose for you. Nom in French is Surname (name of father historically) or Family

2 days 8 hrs

-> Thank you! Yes, "surname" is the last part of your full name (nom), and "forename" (prénom), is a formal word for your first name, but not according to Mohamed.

8 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

suggestions

Explanation:
The surname of the parent whose surname has not already been given to the child, cannot be used as the child's first name.

A child cannot take as a first name, the surname of the other parent when he already has one of the parent's surnames.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2018-07-19 16:26:19 GMT)
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INstead of "has", "bears" could be used.

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 06:18
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 451

2 days 7 hrs confidence:

The name of the parent that has not been transmitted.

Explanation:
Suggestion.

Mohamed Hosni
Morocco
Local time: 05:18
Native speaker of:

Arabic

Reference comments

2 hrs

Reference: fwiw, hth

Reference information:
qui pourraient amener l’officier de l’état civil à informer le procureur :
...
les règles de dévolution du nom de famille : il ne peut être attribué à l’enfant comme prénom le nom du parent qui ne lui a pas été transmis.

http://etat-civil.legibase.fr/actualites/veille-juridique/le...

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The entire sentence is, "Il ne peut être attribué à l'enfant comme prénom le nom du parent qui ne lui a pas été transmis." Here's my (lame) ...

writeaway
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 617

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