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IDML file - how to enter a thin space
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Erik Freitag  Identity Verified
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Dec 7, 2020

Dear colleagues,

I'm translating an idml file in Studio 2019 and need to use thin spaces. The source text doesn't contain any, so I can't copy/paste.

Many thanks in advance for any tips!

Kind regards
Erik


 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Copy and paste Dec 7, 2020

Erik Freitag wrote:
I'm translating an IDML file in Studio 2019 and need to use thin spaces.


You can copy it from here:
https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U%202009
(the thin space is inside the box near the top of the page)


 

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404 Dec 7, 2020

Thanks, Samuel. Unfortunately, the link gives me a 404 message...

 

Adrien Esparron
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Hello Erik,

I think you could give a try to :

Thin space : Alt+ 8201
Thin non-breaking space : Alt+ 8239

Hope it helps!

PS - The same result with the Samuel's link


 

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Thanks, but... Dec 7, 2020

Adrien Esparron wrote:

Hello Erik,

I think you could give a try to :

Thin space : Alt+ 8201
Thin non-breaking space : Alt+ 8239

Hope it helps!

PS - The same result with the Samuel's link


Thanks, Adrien! However, this inserts a slash or a circle, respectively. I suppose these aren't the characters I'm looking for in an idml document?


 

Matthias Brombach  Identity Verified
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Carlinga.exe Dec 7, 2020

It should work with carlinga.exe. You once asked me for it here in proz and perhaps you still have it on your PC. Hotstring would be  " " (won´t be displayed here).

Allerbest,

Matthias

[Bearbeitet am 2020-12-07 13:54 GMT]

[Bearbeitet am 2020-12-07 13:54 GMT]


 

Erik Freitag  Identity Verified
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Compart / Carlinga Dec 7, 2020

Thanks, Matthias, for reminding me of Carlinga - seems I don't have it anymore, and any download links I've tried seem to be dead.

@Samuel: I've managed to find the relevant page on compart. However, when I copy and paste the character into my SDLXLIFF file, it appears to be the same as a full-width non breaking space... Any other ideas?


 

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carlinga.exe: It was asked for here a couple of weeks ago... Dec 7, 2020

...but I do not know any longer when and where.

 

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Try copying from Word Dec 7, 2020

Erik Freitag wrote:
I'm translating an idml file in Studio 2019 and need to use thin spaces. The source text doesn't contain any, so I can't copy/paste.
Erik


I find that it very often works to go for Insert > Symbol and then look up the character I want. Thin space is a little hard, of course, since the character map only shows an empty square. Personally I have often used it for trema (…) and other characters I otherwise have problems finding.

It does not work always (it would be font dependent in some instances), but in this case you will find it here:
Skjermbilde

Skjermbilde

Skjermbilde

Just a tip when you are stuck.

Roy


 

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Found it: Dec 7, 2020

https://web.archive.org/web/20160924224636/http://catology.boisset.eu/Carlinga

 

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Thanks, but... Dec 7, 2020



Thanks! I'd tried that link half an hour ago, it didn't work, now it does - maybe a server was temporarily down.

All up stää bi di?


 

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Carlinga vs. copying from Word Dec 7, 2020

@Roy: Thanks, Roy, I've tried that. The character will be displayed like a full width non-breaking space in Trados, so I'm not sure whether this works.

Using Carlinga, I get a character that looks like a regular breaking space in Trados, so I'm not sure whether this works either.


 

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Wasn't sure if it would function for you Dec 7, 2020

Erik Freitag wrote:
@Roy: Thanks, Roy, I've tried that. The character will be displayed like a full width non-breaking space in Trados, so I'm not sure whether this works.


I meant it more like a suggestion that at least in some instances help. I realise though regrettably that it doesn't work all the time.

Roy


 

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@Erik Dec 7, 2020

Erik Freitag wrote:
Thanks, Samuel. Unfortunately, the link gives me a 404 message...


ProZ.com forum software monster strikes again... the space should be a plus sign... and a plus sign inside a URL is %2B.
https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2009

Erik Freitag wrote:
The character will be displayed like a full width non-breaking space in Trados...


I tested it and yes, in Trados it looks like a regular non-breaking space, but if I paste it into a word, and then select that entire word (including the pasted space) and copy and paste it into a text editor that shows Unicode codes in the status bar (e.g. Babelpad), the thin space appears to survive the round-trip.


[Edited at 2020-12-07 16:23 GMT]


 

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@Samuel Dec 7, 2020

Samuel Murray wrote:

I tested it and yes, in Trados it looks like a regular non-breaking space, but if I paste it into a word, and then select that entire word (including the pasted space) and copy and paste it into a text editor that shows Unicode codes in the status bar (e.g. Babelpad), the thin space appears to survive the round-trip.


[Edited at 2020-12-07 16:23 GMT]


Thanks a lot for all the effort, Samuel! I'd still love to hear from someone who could check this directly in InDesign, but so far, it seems to be a shot worth taking.


 
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