2008 Olympic Games in Beijing

isahuang wrote:



什么都要把中国拿出来跟外国比。我在这儿教学，中国同事们开始也愿意把甲同学跟乙同学比，后来我们的美国supervisor在有一次开会时，非常委婉的说，不要把学生互相比，要多跟学生以前的表现比。横向作比较，起点不同。说回到那个法国的李洹，法国普通民众聆听是聆听了，表示理解？等着吧。我一个在法国的同学刚跟我在MSN上聊完天，你能想象到情况的严重性吗？她说，她这些天都快给气出毛病来了。她好多女朋友跟法国老公的关系都紧张起来了。

jyuan_us wrote:



相當一部分人在起鬨﹐胡鬧﹐沒頭腦。

wherestip wrote:

依我看小丑不少

相反, 我非常同意美国政府 quiet diplomacy 的做法.

Separately, former President Jimmy Carter, who led the 1980 boycott of the Moscow Olympics - a bitterly debated decision - said Sunday that the current situation was not comparable and that he strongly urged countries to participate in the Beijing Games.

"That was a totally different experience in 1980, when the Soviet Union had brutally invaded and killed thousands and thousands of people," he said. "They were threatening to go further south and take over other countries."

"I hope that all the countries will go ahead and participate in the Olympics in Beijing," Carter said on ABC.

Hadley said that President George W. Bush's approach was "what we think the international community ought to be doing, which is approaching the Chinese privately, through diplomatic channels, and sending a very firm message of concern for human rights."

Hadley used the word "opportunity" in interviews on both Fox and ABC. He suggested that the sort of direct protests that have infuriated the Chinese, particularly in the chaotic Olympic torch relays in Paris and London, would only backfire. Noting that the Chinese people and government are enormously invested in the Summer Games, Hadley warned against "the kind of frontal confrontation that is being suggested by some."

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On ABC, Hadley turned aside no fewer than five questions about whether Bush would attend the opening ceremony. The White House has noted that Bush has raised the issue of the recent violent protests in Tibet with President Hu Jintao and urged dialogue with the Dalai Lama. But Bush has said he will attend the Games, which he describes as a sporting, not a political, event.

"We haven't worked out the details of his schedule at this point in time, but from his vantage point, if you listen to what he has said, he has no reason not to go," Hadley said.

wherestip wrote:

Not to start a debate. But just to provide a link to the quiet diplomacy approach the Bush administration has pursued ...


http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/13/asia/tibet.php

Mincho Young wrote:

我所处的这个人口密度将近2万的小环境里，似乎很少有人有多大热情谈论最近火炬传递的一些事情，更没有去搞什么抵制。

isahuang wrote:

Carter has stired quite a controversy here in the past few days.

Some want to take away his passport.

Angus Woo wrote:


在國內的輿論大力指責西方媒體偏袒的時候, 如何能夠讓西方公眾接受"你們不能用同樣的道德標準要求中國與你們一樣. 你們只要有哪怕少數報導是偏袒的就是惡意誣蔑, 而我們舉國上下屏蔽信息卻是合理的, 你們不得指責".

有什麼辦法可以解釋得通呢? 用文革式的批判方式壓制異見讓別人接受? 國內或許可以, 海外, 可能嗎? 以前民進黨上台的教訓還不夠, 準備在歐美也製造類似的民意反彈嗎?

關係緊張恰恰說明目前的策略失敗了. 應該反省了.

因為只有能讓法國的老公們更理解了中國人的觀點才是成功的策略(自己的陣營變大了), 彼此關係緊張反而代表法國的老公們被推到了與中國的女朋友對立的一面(自己的陣營反而變小了). 誤國之論, 莫過於此.

讓更多的人站在與自己不同的立場上, 感到高興的是自己的對立面, 而不是自己的盟友.

redred wrote:

你们在梅花园。
记得以前有一对来自南方医院还是军医大的夫妇为读高中的儿子办留学，女的和其他人说起什么话提到，＂我战场也上过，猫儿洞也待过＂，她说话很辣利。旁边一名80后的小伙子立即弹出一句话，＂抗日战争？＂
许多时候我感到和80后有代沟，那对夫妇50没到，说是中越之战更为接近实情。其实除了79年那次，80年代初中期的中越边境还是断断续续有点小风波（不过，这个也没具体了解)。
Young，现在读本科还是中尉军衔吗？

[Edited at 2008-04-22 13:43]

Angus Woo wrote:

因為只有能讓法國的老公們更理解了中國人的觀點才是成功的策略(自己的陣營變大了), 彼此關係緊張反而代表法國的老公們被推到了與中國的女朋友對立的一面(自己的陣營反而變小了). 誤國之論, 莫過於此.